r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis • u/Thewaxiest123 • 12d ago
Nah this is 100% spot on
And the mods are banning anyone in the comments who agree with it.
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u/bluegiant85 12d ago
Fuck Biden, he sucks.
That said, he's so much better than the alternative that I'd crawl across broken glass to vote for him.
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u/RubyStrings 12d ago
Yep. If the election is Ultra Hitler vs. Mega Hitler, I'm canvassing for Mega Hitler tomorrow. Criticize Biden and keep pushing for progressive policies, but when the vote comes down to it, vote the practical way.
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u/ironangel2k4 12d ago
Primaries are where you're going to actually make change, but they're the elections with the lowest turnout. Vote in your primaries, people!
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u/RubyStrings 12d ago
Absolutely! Local and state elections are big venues for this as well. Vote in every election you have the right to.
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u/Hekantonkheries 11d ago
Yeah, hard to build momentum for change if the only prospects to draw from (mostly winners of past smaller/localer elections) were left to centrists/conservatives because no one else voted.
Get a solid candidate locally, halp them do well, and ideally it will help similar candidate nearby, as well as build support for similar candidates in higher positions, if not elevating that initial rep themselves
If someone sees every higher position just being centrists at best, they'll assume that's as far "left" as they can go and still get elected, so many end up never even trying, or compromising their morals to fit in
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u/loweyedfox 12d ago
No no no you’ve got it all wrong….It’s Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich. It always has been
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12d ago
What did Biden do to earn the title of "Mega Hitler"?
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u/RecordingFar1913 11d ago
He endorses the genocide in Palestine and actively arms Isreal, same thing would happen with either party though.
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His admin literally pressured Israel to stop so that people could get out. Not that I condone revisionist zionism and Bibi and his crew of fascists, but these quicktok takes need to stop.
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u/ianlazrbeem22 11d ago
So why did he say "I saw pictures of dead babies" when said picture did not exist? Was that part of the pressuring Israel? You are the one revising history
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u/imnotpoopingyouare 8d ago
So you take 6 words over what him and his administration actually did? Fucking stupid. Go look up his position on the cease fire now.
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u/Utu_Is_Ra 12d ago
How in the hell do people think Biden is even close to Hitler?! Where the literal fu-k did Biden once try to destroy democracy? He isn’t perfect but it is NOT Hitler. Now Trump, there is so much evidence literal words he has used that line up with Hitler.
This country is so screwed if people genuinely believe it’s a question between Hitlers
We deserve extinction then
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u/shootymcghee 12d ago
He's a moron who has no idea what he's talking about and is just being reddit-edgy
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u/SapientHawthorne 12d ago
That wasn't him saying that biden was hitler, but rather between two hitlers, he would support the less bad one? That it doesn't matter how bad the candidates are, even to the most extreme degree, he would support the less evil one.
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u/MorganWick 12d ago
If it actually was a fight between two Hitlers (or between Kang and Kodos) a third party candidate would actually have a chance. But if a third party candidate couldn't break 5% against Hillary and Trump, it won't be able to do so against Biden and Trump when Biden is (still) a better candidate than Hillary.
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u/No_Talk_4836 12d ago
This. Elections aren’t about the candidate you want, that’s the primary. The election is about voting for the candidate you dislike the least.
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u/SilveIl187 12d ago
It's like that one south park episode. Do you want the turd sandwich or giant douche. Neither are good but you gotta pick
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u/No_Talk_4836 12d ago
Right, either you pick, or you let someone else pick for you.
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u/bilbo_swagginz_boi 12d ago
Let me find the copypasta with Biden’s accomplishments he’s really not that horrendous.
This one is for year 3.
What Biden Has Done: Year Three Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table
Reduced unemployment from 18 million when he took office, down to less than 2 million now
Banned Tik Tok on government sites
Vaccines for tetanus, whooping cough, and shingles (costing up to $200) are now free for seniors on Medicare
Requires utilities to remove perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl compounds (PFAS) from drinking water
Makes $450 million available for solar farms and other clean energy projects at current or former coal mines
732-mile high-voltage transmission line across the Western U.S. that will help transport renewable energy
Directs federal agencies to find ways to make child care cheaper and more accessible
IRS answered 2.4 million more taxpayer calls for assistance due to new funding
$197 million for 100 communities across our nation to invest in wildfire resilience
Safeguard mature and old-growth forests on federal lands, in a science-based approach to reduce wildfire risk
Strengthen reforestation partnerships to support local economies and retain forest ecosystems and sustainable supplies of forest products for years to come
Combat global deforestation to deliver on key COP26 commitments
Comprehensive efforts to deploy nature-based solutions that reduce emissions and build resilience
Added threat of detention and kidnapping to risk factors of travel warnings
Increased consequences to terrorists who engage in the practice of kidnapping
Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions
$4 billion effort to electrify U.S. ports and cut emissions
Average job creation almost double any recent president
To date has forgiven $42 billion of student loan debt to borrowers of public service
Record 10.5 million new business applications were filed in first two years of Biden administration
Invests $11 billion for renewable energy in rural areas
US is now building factories at a wildly fast rate
Construction spending by US manufacturers more than doubled from last year
Offered billions of dollars in subsidies in the electric vehicles, semiconductor, and solar panels industries
Added 800,000 jobs in manufacturing in last two years to compete with countries such as China
Got Ticketmaster and Seat Geek to dump junk fees
The Inflation Reduction Act will provide one million solar and wind jobs by 2035
Doubled previous all-time high of new manufacturing construction
Continues negotiations and gets paid sick days for rail workers
Executive order to guarantee women access to contraception - (more will need to be done to make it permanent)
Eliminates US stockpile of chemical weapons
Largest offshore wind project in the US
Round 10 of student loan cancellation: $39 billion for over 800,00 borrowers
Gets big tech commitments to voluntary follow AI guidelines (Including Google, Meta, Microsoft and Amazon)
Stock Market gains in 2023 are the best in decades
Creates Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument - One million acres
Construction of manufacturing facilities in real terms (adjusted for inflation) has more than doubled since 2021
Launches "Saving on a Valuable Education" (SAVE): An income-driven repayment plan cutting borrowers’ payments in half, and some with no monthly bill
Creates bilateral collaboration helping Vietnam develop high tech in semiconductor production and artificial intelligence, countering Chinese efforts to do the same in the region
$800 Million to Strengthen Rural Infrastructure and Create Jobs
Round 11 of student debt forgiveness: 12,000 Wisconsinite Student Loans Forgiven
Siemens Kenosha factory to produce solar using tax incentives and will create a half million clean energy jobs
Suspends Trump-era authorization to ship natural gas by rail
Cancels oil and gas leases in Alaskan wildlife refuge that were allowed by Trump administration
Restores power of states and tribes to review projects to protect waterways
Creates 9-state offshore wind supply chain pact while funding $72m towards manufacturing
American Climate Corps launched
DOD to review DADT discharges
At-home COVID tests return
EPA announces $4.6B climate grants
TPS redesignated for Venezuela, protecting additional 450k migrants
$37M University of Phoenix debt forgiven
EO for East Palestine recovery
Prohibits Americans from investing in some Chinese companies
Directs Agencies to Account for Climate Change in Budgets
Creates new office of gun violence prevention
Commits $200 million to reintroduce salmon in Columbia River
$230 million for suicide prevention and behavioral are programs for at risk communities
Cuts funding to college programs leaving grads with unaffordable loans and/or low pay
All schools must provide prospective students with a framework outlining actual costs to get a degree and financial outcomes students can expect
Today’s announcement brings the total approved debt cancellation by the Biden-Harris Administration to $127 billion for nearly 3.6 million Americans.
Round 12 of student loan forgiveness of $5.2 billion bring total to $127 billion
Updated federal prevailing wage for first time in decades, raising wages by thousands of dollars
During very tense times, visits Israel and gets them allow humanitarian aid to Gaza
Creates the largest ever offshore windfarm of Virginia's coast
Supports UAW strike resulting in a 30% increase of wages
October economics report shows stunning improvement
---34th consecutive month of job growth (150,000 jobs in October)
---Longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s
---GDP surged this past quarter 5% (seasonally adjusted)
---Federal Reserve announces interest rates are holding steady
---Auto Strike over! Workers get substantial pay raises (30%)
Eliminates co-payments, enrollment fees and monthly premiums for WWII veterans
Climate Corps sees 42,000 sign-ups since inception
Establishes White House Initiative on Women’s Health Research
Reestablishes open and direct communication with China
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u/FlewOverCuckoldsNest 12d ago
Yeah but have you considered that he personally didn’t suck off 500 Hamas soldiers? That makes him just as evil as Trump.
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u/DADPATROL 11d ago
Being anti-zionist is not the same as being pro Hamas. People just want Isreal to stop killing Palestinian civilians in droves.
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u/emostitch 11d ago
Right, so withhold votes for the guy pulling Israel back and doing what he can with aid and temporary ceasefire and diplomatic pressure to increase the odds of the guy that would just help his brother in authoritarian power fantasy Netanyahu just raize all of Gaza. Very caring, much help to Palestine if Trump wins.
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u/AngryToaster7 12d ago
What has Biden done that is so bad? There has been quite a few major legislative accomplishments.
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u/Ok-Background-502 12d ago
People usually say "they both suck" to mean
"both are worse in my view compared to if I were the president and our system became a dictatorship"
Which is a pointless statement to avoid having to learn a defendable position on the candidates we do have.
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u/9za2 12d ago edited 12d ago
Same as it ever was. Despite declining inflation and Biden leading the US with the strongest recovery, lowest unemployment, and lowest post-pandemic inflation rates among developed nations, the problem remains that gas, grocery, and rent costs are still high. That's the beginning and end of the conversation for far too many voters.
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u/The6Courier 12d ago
*Genocidal maniac Joe Biden lmao!
I swear these people are fucking loony toons saying shit like this.
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u/malcolmreyn0lds 12d ago
Exactly.
Fuck both of these old geriatric ass candidates. But dear god I remember how stressful a Trump presidency was (I was also enlisted at the time, and some of the orders being handed out were “ignore the crazy guy until the joint chiefs tell us what to do”. I was part of NSOC).
If he wins, the next term is going to be worse.
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u/makebbq_notwar 12d ago
Don’t worry, if Tubberville and the other insurrectionist in the Senate get their way military leadership will be 100% loyal to Trump and the orders will not be confusing.
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u/YogurtclosetExpress 12d ago
I refuse to just accept the premise of Biden sucks just to give these champagne idiots something we agree on.
Biden has at every turn tried to steer Israel from a ground invasion and is trying to make a ceasefire happen as we speak. He also is trying to pressure Israel into stopping the settler bullshit. The aid the US gives to Israel is only for domestic audiences because Israel doesn't need any of it to throw bombs at a Palestinian hospitals. They spend more on their military per capita than the US does. This means the US has very little leverage. If the US withdraws aid or imposes sanctions against Israel then their ability to throw bombs at Palestinians will not be deminished, however the US will just have left the negotiating table and that place will be picked up by either China or Russia in the long term.
If the people that call him a genocidal maniac had their way, more Palestinians would be dead, the US would have lost influence in the region and the little ability it has to steer Israel one way or another. And that influence would be picked up by some other power. And all we would gain out of this is a boost in their smugness levels.
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u/viciouspandas 12d ago
Lmao the meme literally called Republicans fascists and they assumed it was a right wing meme
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u/Minecraft1464 12d ago
It’s a tankie sub, makes sense
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u/URMRGAY_ 12d ago
"Fascism is fine actually, it's the doing nothing about it that really bothers me"
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u/UsVsThemIsCringe 12d ago
Tankies annoy us actual socialists.
They’re either just dumbasses who idolize Mao and Stalin, or 4chan conservatives doing a smear campaign by acting like what they see left wingers as.
Actual socialists, do not want to kill/imprison opposing parties.
Hell, I’m a fucking Polish socialist, and I fucking hate Stalin and his supporters.
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u/CatoChateau 12d ago
I understand what you're saying and it makes sense but the memer portrayed himself as Chad wojack, so I have to disagree.
/s
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
They consider everything left of being a Stalinist to be right wing. And if you’d vote for Biden because the alternative literally results in you losing the right to live where you currently live then apparently you’re a fascist liberal who supports genocide.
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u/jdjdjdjkssk 12d ago
I don’t understand. Have they got it mixed up? Isn’t Stalinism all the way over to the extreme left already?
People on the internet suck so bad at politics.
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u/xbluewolfiex 12d ago
Tbf it is in quotations, so the person who made it might not actually believe it to be true.
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u/TammyMeatToy 12d ago
I left a comment there, prob gonna get banned for it. Basically I said that it's evil to gamble and sacrifice the lives of marginalized people who will be targeted under a GOP fascist presidency so that you can virtue signal about how good of a person you are and how you never compromise on your values.
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
I already got banned there for saying the exact same shit, the left is literally it’s own worst enemy. When it comes to advancing any political agenda Istg.
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u/Hopeful_Wallaby3755 12d ago
I literally got banned from the sub for “playing Genshin Impact”
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
Silly liberal, didn’t you know that genshin impact was a game for fascists? /s
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u/The_Bygone_King 11d ago
Purity spirals are the enemy of any kind of progression.
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u/LunchRight686 11d ago
Well that and some people want us to have fascists who will take power and take our rights away so that way the revolution will happen faster (which it won’t since we will be in camps before we can do anything)
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u/The_Bygone_King 11d ago
You are referring to Accelerationists, which yes, are a particularly insidious bunch of idiots.
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u/SwordoftheLichtor 12d ago
Wait until you realize that most if not all of the "left" subs on this site are honey traps or rage bait and the actual real praxis goes on outside of your bedrooms and phones in real life activities and organization.
Stop judging leftists or leftist ideals based off of reddit screed and twitter shit.
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u/BillionDollarBalls 12d ago
I call them online activists. They'll lecture you all day but you'll never see them actually put boots on the ground or money to a charity. Shit most of them can't even bother to vote...
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
This is the 21st century, unfortunately like it or not a good portion of the public discourse happens online now instead of in person. And while yes there’s way more to be done irl in terms of activism, we can’t just act like how we act and are perceived on the internet doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
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u/SwordoftheLichtor 12d ago
It actually doesn't. Literally anyone can log into an account and say they are this and they want that to happen. This or that can be any number of things but actual discourse does not happen online. People screaming about their opinions? Yes.
The bottom line is no actual change will ever come from sites like this or social media. The second actual discourse, change, momentum what have you occurs on a website like this it gets shut down, banned, frozen, etc.
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u/evanwilliams44 11d ago edited 11d ago
I disagree. What happens online often manifests in some way in real life. The entire far-right is a great example... Radicalized online and in the media, then seemed to come out "nowhere" to support Trump.
It starts online, and then people make it real.
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u/StopThinkingJustPick 12d ago
Totally agree. When people are losing their rights, it is totally OK because they made their point! Roe getting overturned was almost as much due to the inaction of left leaning voters as it was due to the action of right leaning ones.
To your point of never compromising. It's silly and self-defeating. Unlike on the right, where even the most fiscally conservative voters will put in their vote for someone like Trump... Someone who loves spending, debt, printing money, and bankruptcy.
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u/justhanginhere 12d ago
That is well said and a great perspective on this.
Also…. Biden ain’t that bad.
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u/TammyMeatToy 12d ago
Compared to my expectations for Biden, he has blown them out of the water. He's been very pro worker and I really appreciate that.
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u/justhanginhere 12d ago
Yeah it’s going about as well as one could expect it to go.
I do understand people why people want a younger candidate, new ideas, etc.
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u/Great-Balls 12d ago
Bro WHAT
Am I completely misunderstanding what “left” means
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u/IGotVocals 12d ago edited 12d ago
Liberalism is considered right wing on the larger political spectrum because it still supports the framework of capitalism
Edit: just going to clarify that this interpretation is not based on the Overton window, but instead based on modes of production. When “left” and “right” were first coined in feudal France, the right represented the ruling class, while the left represented the capitalist class. Since feudalism as a mode of production has been phased out, the window has shifted so that capitalism is now considered the “right”, while socialism is considered the “left”.
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u/Quiet-Oil8578 12d ago
Left and right wing are inherently contextual measurements; in a feudal society, a liberal would be insanely far left. In the modern-day American context, neoliberalism is a center-left ideology; those of us further to the left are seeking to create a country where it is actually a right-wing set of beliefs to hold.
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u/Sad_Presentation9276 12d ago
things like this are the reason the whole left right political idea system makes no sense to me. absolute confusion trying to identify so many ideas within a 1 dimensional system. i get almost no information when someone says they are left or right wing so i prefer to define mine and others political views with different more specific terms.
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u/SheTran3000 12d ago
Right and left mean capitalist and anticapitalist. Dems just tricked their followers into believing they're left of center when they're really just right of center.
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u/Quiet-Oil8578 12d ago
Right and left are terms based on the French assembly, and are not inherently about capitalism and anti-capitalism. Putting forward that idea indicates a bull-headed desire to not comprehend politics and history to a staggering degree.
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u/TialpaWithAGun 12d ago
I mean neoliberalism is pretty much the centre for cultural and economic spectrums
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u/AstronomerLeather804 12d ago
That purely depends on which culture and which economic spectrum. Western European? Sure. Globally when we start adding African warlords and absolute monarchies like Saudi Arabia? Neoliberalism starts looking a lot more left wing.
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u/Arndt3002 12d ago
Eh, I'd say progressive or modern liberalism is more of the "center" with respect to western countries. Neoliberalism, that is neoclassical liberalism, is fairly right-wing in the American and western European political spectra.
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u/Donnerstreifen 12d ago
Liberalism does not necessarily support capitalism. Whilst market liberalism does, liberalism also entails civil libertys, human rights etc. Many socialists or even communists did support liberal views, just not for the market, because they thought that it „enslaved“ the workers which is something inherently illiberal
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u/Gubekochi 12d ago
From context... progressive as in opposed to pro-war and pro-corporation, which isn't an option Americans can actually vote for.
I guess?
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u/tfblvr1312 12d ago
Left and liberal are different. Liberal is hyper capitalism, left wing is progressive ideology (i think)
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u/Time-Bite-6839 12d ago
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u/tfblvr1312 12d ago
Yes, it’s progressivism under the guise of strict pre-existing systems and authority
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u/Glittering-Lack-7889 12d ago
No, liberalism is capitalist + progressive ideology. Left wing is socialist. In the west, being left wing usually comes with progressive ideology as well.
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u/tfblvr1312 12d ago
Sort of, yes…? Liberalism is a centrist ideology it’s just so divided in the US that mainstream liberalism seems like some extremist side of the spectrum
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u/Mendicant__ 12d ago
Liberalism is not "centrist" except in the sense that the center is where you put first place on the podium. Liberalism is a spectrum of ideologies that runs the gamut from Bernie Sanders to Agusto Pinochet, and it is currently the dominant political ideal to the point that even illiberal governments often ape the form if not the substance of liberal institutions and law.
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u/Arndt3002 12d ago
You seem to ignore the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism are both liberal. You're focusing on classical liberalism while ignoring the broader meaning of the word.
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u/NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP 12d ago
I mean yeah probably, depending on where you live. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that, it's just kinda how societies work.
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u/Volks1337 12d ago
This thread is white as a snow drift.
Biden is ten times better compared to Trump and it ain't even close.
But if you really would rather Trump over Biden, y'all have no room to bitch when Republicans strip more rights from your fellow Americans.
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u/Time-Bite-6839 12d ago
Only ten times?
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u/Gluteusmaximus1898 12d ago
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u/jljboucher 12d ago
He looks like a piece of jerky in that pic! Is that supposed to be black face or just slightly more orange?!
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u/ChristianBen 12d ago
Exactly, people here having to pretend to say “hey I am cool I think Biden is almost as bad as Trump too but maybe he his marginally better?” is laughable. I also wonder what those keep screaming “Biden is a genocidal maniac” expect the re-“turn Gaza into a parking lot”-publicans would have do alternatively
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u/dominarhexx 12d ago edited 10d ago
Frankly, he's better in a lot of ways than any president I've had in my lifetime (I'm 40 for context). There is a lot I wish was better, but assuming the US has some sort of unilateral sway on Israel because aid or whatever is just ridiculous and shows how little these tankies and ideologues actually know about how the world works.
Edit: typos
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u/guydel777 12d ago
Exactly within israel biden is seen as the only thing actually holding netanyahu back. He’s actually been doing a great job at using his power to sway israel into a lighter response
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u/Apple-Dust 12d ago
But you see, by my "the worse the better" Rube Goldberg logic, instead of trying to improve our imperfect system that does allow for representation and collective action, we can just elect a dictator who will collapse the entire system.
Now, here's where the plan starts working. The dictator will abuse us so much that we'll get angry. Unfortunately we will be uneducated and unable to organize so the dictator can easily scapegoat an internal enemy i.e. a marginalized community. But, there will also be factions in the background plotting and conducting guerilla warfare against the dictator and also making our lives worse. Eventually the dictator will make a mistake and be overthrown by one of these factions. Then we will have another dictator and the cycle will start over again. After we do this half a dozen or so times, we might get a dictator who actually cares about the country, goes through democratic reforms and actually makes things better. At that point, let's say after we've lived in poverty for a century and lost millions of lives, we can get back to the level we are now, or maybe even where we could be after like 10 years of reform under our current system!
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u/George_G_Geef 12d ago
Accelerationism: awesome for those that survive.
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u/Apple-Dust 12d ago
Which will definitely be the tankies who don't have enough political power to even move the needle in a representative system, and have already been lined up as part of the "internal enemy" in the aspiring dictator's Hitler speech. I'm sure they will do fine once the downfall they are on record cheering for happens and everyone's life savings is worth less than the tree bark that has become their staple foodstuff.
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u/impulsenine 12d ago
"After Hitler, our turn!"
— Actual Socialists in Germany
(They were shot)
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie 12d ago
Yes. The communists who refused to work with the SPD to prevent Hitlers power grab.
They were all pretty surprised when Hitler threw the in jail and then into concentration camps
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u/Redqueenhypo 12d ago
I’m saving your comment to use as a copypasta against accelerationists
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u/Cromasters 10d ago
"I'm unable to hold down an actual job and have anxiety about making a phone call...but I am definitely excited to participate in the revolution. I can't wait to be able to live while streaming philosophy lessons and definitely won't just be forced to work in mine."
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u/Pegomastax_King 12d ago
He’s definitely the lesser evil but it gets exhausting only ever getting to choose between the blatantly evil and the less evil.
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u/Kind-Show5859 12d ago
vote in the primaries. elect more progressive people in local elections, then only in the nationals vote dem no matter what.
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u/Stunning-Body5969 12d ago
Bernie should’ve won it :/
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u/Otherwise_Reply_5292 12d ago edited 12d ago
Maybe if his supporters had actually voted in the primaries he might have, however he was never going to win the general election either.
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u/ActuallySatanAMA 12d ago
If I had to pick between a candidate who enables genocide vs. a candidate who wants to actively commit genocide and imprison anyone who disagrees with him and replace the government with majority fascist yesmen…
Obviously I can’t vote for enabling genocide, I have to let the other guy win so I can make my point /s
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u/Most_Preparation_848 12d ago
NKVD ass mod team wth
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
Got banned there for literally saying that minorities would lose more rights under Trump than Biden and that we should vote for him since he’s the only viable option.
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u/frozen-silver 12d ago
I got permabanned because I participated in a Vaush sub. I wasn't even subscribed, but his sub appears on my feed a lot.
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u/Qingdao243 12d ago
I got banned from that sub for asking if it was fair to call certain places in Palestine "refugee camps" if they were just regular fucking towns that haven't genuinely received refugees in over 70 years. I even fucking prefaced it by saying that civilians being harmed isn't okay either way, but questioning anti-Israel media was good enough for them to strike me down over.
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u/DemocracyIsGreat 12d ago
Any condemnation of Ioseb Dzhugashvili or Beria also gets people banned. It's a tankie hell hole.
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u/Amflifier 12d ago
Beria? The child rapist Beria? The torturer and executioner Beria, that Beria? High level brain rot
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u/DemocracyIsGreat 12d ago
This is your brain.
This is your brain on Stalinism.
Any questions?
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u/RNRGrepresentative 11d ago
"uhm acktually Stalin didn't get out a big spoon and eat all the grain in Ukraine thats just silly capitalist imperialist fascist CIA propaganda🤓🤓🤓"
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u/RandomGuy9058 12d ago
Wasn’t Beria literally a pedophile too
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u/DemocracyIsGreat 12d ago
Yep. A pedophilic rapist who beat prisoners to death with a truncheon for fun.
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u/FeuerSeer 12d ago
As a communist who is queer and votes straight dem as harm reduction- fuck these people.
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u/Spenstar_brazeldazel 12d ago
For real. As a queer person I’m scared as fuck for what’s about to come and hate anyone who’s enabling this shit.
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u/KiraLonely 12d ago
As a trans person I’m always disgusted when I see people claiming to be socially left leaning and then spewing this shit. Or “allies”. You’re not an ally if you’re willing to throw out our rights at the drop of a hat.
I’m so fucking disappointed in a lot of subreddits rn. These discussions feel really gross. Like suddenly my life, the lives of so many trans kids, they aren’t important because some people are too tired to vote or grumpy because they don’t have a better option.
I’m pissed there isn’t a better option too. But I fucking care about kids not dying. I care about not being fucking outlawed more than I am currently.
I’m just…fucking horrified I even considered a lot of these communities to be safe originally.
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u/Squizei 12d ago
the worst bit is that despite being so lgbtqphobic at basically every turn, america is one of the easiest first world countries to transition in, so moving away isn’t an option for most people as it would cost so much to get basic hrt.
i’m not trans, but i know a good few people who are, and it blows my mind that people can be so against the idea of other people existing, to the point of stripping their rights and treating them like animals. it’s fucking disgusting. and it’ll keep happening under FPTP.
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u/Cyberia15 12d ago
I'm still voting for myself, but I'm now also voting for my trans sibling and who they would be more safe under. If someone tells me how proud they are to vote for someone who's against minorities, that is a direct attack to one of my loved ones.
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u/Puzzled-Rope-5392 12d ago edited 12d ago
Its just cheering for a sports team for them. The idea of people being hurt doesn't enter into their brain because they have lived lives of privilege.
Its hard to see the negative impact of decisions when their entire life is shitposting from their parents basement in a gated community.
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u/Throwaway8424269 12d ago
What pisses me off is when they use us as justification for doing fuck all. The amount of “TRANS PEOPLE ARE BEING GENOCIDED” I’ve gotten in response to saying go vote is fucking astounding. Like yes, asshole, that’s why you go vote
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u/chairfairy 12d ago
That's the kind of thing that I have to imagine has a non-zero amount of activity driven by foreign troll farms.
There are definitely shitty people who believe this, but anything that's a political or social wedge, I assume Russia or Iran or someone has their fingers in the stew.
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
I swear these fuckers failed to understand the trolley problem.
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u/tjohns96 12d ago
It’s like they already forgot that the last time Trump was elected he got 3 Supreme Court justices, which led to abortion being banned. He also tried to overthrow the government. The people who make these arguments are so privileged because they are insulated from the consequences that poor people and marginalized communities face when someone like Donald Trump is in office.
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u/Riggy60 12d ago
Harm reduction is what I keep telling people too. I'm a firm anarchist which means voting for the continuation of any state party is always antithetical to my beliefs but one party will simply destroy the planet faster and make marginalized peoples' lives harder than the other party and its very easy to see that..
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u/progressinwork93 12d ago
Full blown leftist as well, I don't understand the mindset of this sub. Largely, fuck Capitalism but so many leftists pull the both sides card, and just make shit worse. It's fucking dumb.
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u/Amaranthine7 12d ago
I don’t know why so many leftists are against harm reduction. Like what else are we supposed to do? Sit back and smile at the worsening conditions under capitalism and cheer?
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u/Wrong-Tip-7073 12d ago
As someone who’s family fought three wars against communists, never would I have thought I would be in agreement with a commie.
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u/The-Exalted-Jorbis 12d ago
Holy shit I haven’t been to this sun in a few years and GOOD GOD the Tankies have taken over the entire subreddit, it is an absolute infestation of red fascists.
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u/Stock_Rush2555 12d ago
It's the #freepalestine. Conflict a world away got them "helping"
Note the "genocidal maniac"? It's weird to me how many of the younger generation can't see the nuance in these situations
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u/deadly_decanter 11d ago
the current left-wing view of the Israel-Hamas conflict has me feeling entirely alienated at this point. i saw an ig post this morning that was like “on this trans day of remembrance, im thinking of our martyred trans kin who lost their lives to the genocide. do not let Israeli pinkwashing convince you that they did not live and love in Palestine” like ???? they did NOT live and love in Palestine, because Palestine is a violently queerphobic state. and REGARDLESS OF THAT palestinians have a right to food, water, shelter, and all other resources necessary for life and liberation. but really? pretending palestinians are the perfect victim so we don’t have to bother ourselves with nuance?
if being “leftist” means i have to denounce a person’s right to existence if they don’t have the correct beliefs, i want nothing to do with the label.
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u/birberbarborbur 12d ago
Who do we vote for? Someone who wants to make hrt cheaper or someone who wants to ban it? Hmmmmm
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u/ask_me_if_im_a_pengu 12d ago
lame how people think this will help, biden sucks fr but i prefer him over mr shooty mc kill face trump
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u/the_evil_overlord2 12d ago
Yeah, I was perma banned for saying we shouldn't let the guy actively planning a fascist takeover get the power he's after
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
Got banned from there for saying that while Biden was awful, the alternative was going to be even worse for minorities, queer people, and Palestinians. I can’t even with that subreddit lmao
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u/ignatiusOfCrayloa 12d ago
To them, spiting liberals is more important than materially helping those in need or stopping fascism.
It's a deeply unserious way to engage with politics. It's all about feeling good instead of making positive changes in the world.
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u/GeneraleArmando 11d ago
The same literally happened in the 20s and 30s in Germany: Antifa (Basically the armed wing of the communist party of germany) and the Communist Party literally allied with the nazis from time to time to destroy the liberal republic of weimar.
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u/flyinchipmunk5 12d ago
Litearlly Republicans say very loudly that they will let isreal glass Gaza and these people are made at Biden because isreal bombed a couple hospitals.
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u/BillionDollarBalls 12d ago
Dude the people in the sub are so brain rot, it's scary. Those people literally never go outside.
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u/Bladeofwar94 12d ago edited 11d ago
I was in that sub for the memes, but got banned by a bot. I replied to them asking for an unban and they said that they were exterminating the liberal and fascist infestation in their sub.
Fucking mods are full of themselves in that sub.
Edit: spelling
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u/Tyrrano64 12d ago
Genocidal Maniac Joe Biden I can't fucking even with these people.
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u/Zymond2543 12d ago
Yeah that mod team is truly insane, for some reason they aggressively white knight North Korea.
I got permanently banned for stating that it was possible to NKan buildings in a picture were fake because NK has built fake buildings before (https://allthatsinteresting.com/peace-village-north-korea).
They told me that that made no sense because why would a poor country build fake buildings, which seems like a good point at first, but then you realize that this is the same country that has pulled shit like banning Winnie the Pooh, and having people to pretend to be on computers in photos when in reality to PCs were off cause the country has no fucking power.
Here’s my comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/s/WKnsNZ486I
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u/theokaywriter 12d ago
I used to go on that sub but it somehow became a tankie sub so liberals and more democratic socialists moved to other subs like r/rightjerk. I haven’t been on that one in a while, though, so I don’t know what it’s like now.
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u/CanadianODST2 12d ago
I got banned from this sub for
"Liberal"
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u/Zymond2543 12d ago
They have a bot that will chase you for saying Middle Class instead of Middle Income, it’s really funny tbh. Honestly glad to be away from it though, as bad most of the memes are it’s just not worth it to fill your head with so much vulgar stuff.
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie 12d ago
These people would have believed the Nazi propaganda of the perfect camps they built just for the red cross
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u/ketchupmaster987 12d ago
To be fair supporting Israel when they are bombing the shit out of Gaza and not caring that they are killing innocent civilians is really not a good look
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u/DescipleOfCorn 12d ago
It’s really the federal government’s position, there’s no real way to oppose it so while voting in the general you have to act like that issue isn’t on the ballot (because it’s not) and vote based on the ones that actually are like LGBTQ and women’s rights
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u/obama69420duck 12d ago
I really recommend the Article Biden wrote for the Washington Post, it explains his positions pretty clearly.
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u/Asleep_Size3018 12d ago
The right can't meme is awful, it's full of tankies
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u/LunchRight686 12d ago
Gotta admit I’m pretty proud of my badge of honor I got for responding to the exact post OP put here haha
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u/Someone1284794357 12d ago
I got banned for making a Deus Vult joke. Those guys are made outta glass.
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u/snowflake_reddit_mod 12d ago
That is 100% what's going to happen if people are stupid and don't vote for not shitler
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u/Qingdao243 12d ago
What was it that I saw someone else call him? Fanta Fuhrer? Fuhrer Fanta? Whatever it was, it was funny as shit.
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u/SexyPotato70 12d ago
Liberalism a right wing ideology now? Damn some of you guys really need to go outside
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u/Quick-Ad9335 12d ago
The belief is that fascism is one of the last stages of capitalism. The situation will get so bad that people will finally achieve class consciousness and unite and revolt.
It's a gamble like a person here said, and explicitly relies on widespread suffering and discontent. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. It is true that fascist governments have generally been supported by industrialists and other economic elites.
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u/Unique-Ad9731 12d ago
Accelerationism is what that's called. It's hotly debated amongst Marxists, but the general consensus is that it depends greatly on the mindset of the masses of the people, but if unsure, should never be done without incredible caution
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u/A_Damp_Tree 12d ago
Accelerationism is what that's called.
The problem with accelerationism is that there is no guarantee things will actually get better. Like, yeah, there does have to be a measure of discontent for a revolt to happen, but horrible regimes and systems have lasted centuries, if things get worse, we don't know when they will get better.
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u/CapitalSubstance7310 12d ago
Fascism was inspired by a French syndicalist (forgot his name) Mussolini still did incorporate some socialist elements into his fascism. this video has something about it
I’m not an expert on fascist economics. But I know fascists think more state control over lives is a good thing
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u/CmdChas 12d ago
Trump is likely to win because there will be a lot of young voters withholding their vote, its frustrating, i get where they're coming from, but refusing to vote doesn't help anyone. If anyone remembers, when Trump called the election rigged, many republicans said they were going to boycott the elections when the Congressional votes were still going on, which sent the party into a panic. Boycotting a vote doesn't help you.
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u/RadoRocks 12d ago
All i wanted was for the minimum wage to not be $7.50, legal cannabis, and student loan reform... but all i got is hyperinflation, and two new wars (possible ww3). Good grief!
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u/gentlemandinosaur 12d ago
And
How about:
The IRA: a massive omnibus bill that is literally the largest climate bill in history, finally allowed Medicare to negotiate drug prices, capped insulin for people at Medicaid at 35/month which has lead to most companies calling costs for all other people, and has already lead to a massive increase in manufacturing investment in the US.
The American Rescue Plan: arguably the most ambitious stimulus in US history since the new deal. It lead to the expansion of some welfare programs in an amazing way and has lead to a likelihood that we’ll see a permanent child hood tax credit in the next decade.
The Infrastructure Bill: this was the largest investment in American infrastructure in multiple generations. You know how everyone’s booming the US for train derailments and bridge collapse? That’s happening cause we didn’t fox any of our shit for 40 years. We’re finally fixing and improving. Among my favorite effects, we’re already seeing DOT invest in grants that go beyond just car infrastructure.
The CHIPs ACT: this one is a little more controversial but the impact is clear. This is also one of the reasons we’ve seen a massive increase in US manufacturing investment. It also does some awesome stuff for research like creating a new national translation research lab to take things discovered in labs and apply them to industry faster.
Those are just the 4 biggest bills which would be crowning achievements in most other presidency’s on there own. I’m can’t even begin to list a lot of the really cool stuff he’s done through EOs and assigning the right department heads. From DOTs fuel efficiency standards to the EPAs methane standards, to making all academic papers that got federal funding free to access there is just so much stuff that contributes towards amazing transformation.
Do these things suck?
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u/dat_potatoe 12d ago edited 12d ago
It's not spot on. And genuine Leftists tend to take a dim view of the concept of Harm Reduction because it's just how the American populace is held morally hostage and forced to support the broken system every single election.
Yes, vote Democrat because having your friend's kneecaps broken is better than them being shot in the head. But remember that their kneecaps are still being broken over and over again every election and you're not fucking accomplishing anything long term by continuing to vote Dem just to block the fascists.
"Democracy hinges on this election, vote Dem or there won't BE any future elections."
How many times is that going to repeat itself though? How may elections is Democracy going to hinge on? How many times is someone like Trump going to run? Do we just continue doing that forever, as capitaist-aligned Democrats continue to not actually fix anything about the country?
Many Leftists are also Accelerationists who have come to believe mass misery under a fascist state is the only way anyone is ever going to be motivated to actually DO anything about the system in place. I.e. they aren't trying to block fascism to begin with.
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u/cnckane1 12d ago
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds mfs when they want to let fascism take power because voting once every 4 years didn't bring about a socialist utopia by itself
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u/Infinite-Engineer485 12d ago
My problem with “genuine leftists” who don’t support dems is that they’re not really doing anything else. If you don’t believe in the two party system and want to change the system, then do something! Start organizing, run for something, heck start gathering weapons for guerrilla war! If you’re not gonna vote then you better be engaging in some other activity than just whining online about how superior you are.
And, the reason for the doomsday is narrative is that Trump is running for a third term. I’m sorry it’s this way—it wasn’t when McCain or Bush ran—but it’s the unfortunate truth that Trump does represent a threat to our democracy
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u/djml9 12d ago
Doomsday voting pressure is just like doomsday climate activism and, in a more digestible timeframe, doomsday covid predictions.
How long have they been saying global warming would wreak havoc on our ecosystem? Every year for the last 70+ years, conservatives have pointed and said “its only gone up .1 degrees, so why we should we act?!”. Now look at us. Had we acted at any future point in time, we wouldn’t be here.
They said millions would die if we did nothing about covid. And we acted, and we STILL lost over a million. Every day during lockdown, conservatives said “they said we’d lose millions and we only lost 3000 today, we should have done nothing!” Had we not acted, we would’ve have been irreparably ravaged exponentially more than we were.
How many elections will democracy hinge on, you ask? Every single one, until it doesn’t. If the right’s attacks on democracy ultimately fail, voting will not have been a waste. We will not have been wrong. We would have acted. And if we fail to act while we can, no amount of “i guess they were right” will reduce the temperature of the earth or reestablish a fair and functional governing system.
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u/Pegomastax_King 12d ago
I like to look at r/conspiracy out of morbid curiosity and they have out circle jerked themselves recently… get this the new hot Q conspiracy is the democrats deliberately tricked the conservatives into downplaying covid so that they next time there is a virus it will be a real nasty one but people won’t follow any guidelines at all…
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u/Repulsive_Ad_1599 12d ago
I won't vote for Biden OR Trump!
(Because I'm not American)