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u/wigzell78 12d ago
J6 was staged by democrats, except for all those arrested have been longtime GOP Party members, but it was all Antifa, except it was our girl who got shot and killed inside which we scream for justice over, but we werent there...
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u/Queasy-Kale-8938 12d ago
Also a lot of those arrested are unapologetic and say "I went there and got swept up" they say "I went there at Trumps behest and we're fighting for the country." Democrats aren't just rounding up random longtime GOP and MAGA members and claiming they were a part of it.
It is all so dumb.
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u/Cheshire_Jester 12d ago edited 12d ago
Also like, if all it takes for you to attempt a coup is to see a couple other people trying to do that too, you’re not exactly being entrapped. Even if they’re totally undercover cops…dressed as antifa? You’re sworn enemy? Wait, wouldn’t you be trying to stop them then, because you hate them and their politics…not join them?
I dunno, losing the thread a little here. Either way, if all it takes is you seeing someone else do a little coup, you’ve been wanting some hot coup for a while.
The whole notion that there were undercover feds driving people to action and letting people just do whatever they wanted because they wanted to make republicans look bad so incredibly fucking stupid. Even if it’s true, the folks being arrested are still enemies of the state who willingly participated in what they thought was an attempt to overthrow the government.
And then there’s the part where it seems like it’s really not true at all that any of these assertions about undercover feds and antifa are real at all.
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u/The84thWolf 12d ago
The whole notion that they were undercover…to make Republicans look bad is stupid.
I wonder who was the undercover genius who convinced others to smear their literal shit on the walls /s
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u/Fakeduhakkount 12d ago
The FBI also made those innocent people ransack various offices and post on social media stolen items. Also it was the FBI that made you use the capital as a toilet
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u/Chalupa-Supreme 12d ago
Right. Plus, they were in there saying, "Naaaaancy, where are you??" and then her husband is later attacked in his home by a man that says in court that he was radicalized by right-wing media and was specifically looking for Nancy Pelosi.
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u/More_Entertainment_5 12d ago
“I was swept up, but I brought a homemade gallows just in case”
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u/The84thWolf 12d ago
It’s okay to get swept up in things.
At a concert, a shopping spree, trash-talking at a baseball game.
Not to overthrow the government.
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u/NotEnoughIT 12d ago
It was simultaneously staged by democrats and supported by republicans. "We didn't do it, democrats did, but fuck yeah I'd do it again in a heartbeat" kinda thing.
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u/Choice-Temporary-144 12d ago
"But it was the feds". Ok thanks for acknowledging fascists have infiltrated the FBI.
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u/radjinwolf 12d ago
My mom tried that line of reasoning. She dead-ass thinks everyone is being “mean” to Trump, and that it was an undercover Democrat FBI operative who got the crowd into a frenzy.
I asked why a Democrat FBI operative would do such a thing. She replied, “To make Trump look bad”.
Yes. Make Trump look bad on Jan 6, the day that Joe Biden was being confirmed as president. Which means Trump already lost. WHY would democrats need to make him look bad 2 months after he already lost the election??
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u/MadRaymer 12d ago edited 12d ago
I've talked to my MAGA relatives enough to understand the psychology here. Your mother understands that J6 does indeed make Trump look bad. But since she's refusing to accept anything that makes him look bad, it must be staged. Someone else did it to try to damage the saint-like image of Dear Leader. As you say, the motive doesn't make sense. But the motive is irrelevant. They're not looking for that. They're seeing an observable fact that makes the man they worship look bad. It needs to be explained away or their whole worldview comes crashing down. So, "undercover FBI operative did it" and voila, Trump's saint-like image is preserved, and they don't have to experience the mental anguish of admitting that they got conned by a washed-up reality TV show host.
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u/NotAnAILearning 12d ago
My MAGA brother is theorizing right now that the Feds were only outside, which explains all the violence we sa, and that Democrats never show videos from inside. The Feds never made it inside with the MAGA, which explains the « guided visit » they seem to be taking in most videos.
I told him that even if bank robbers are on camera taking a coffee break during a robbery, it’s still a robbery, and asked him to show me those Feds that aren’t inside, finding people who stayed outside wasn’t hard, seeing how so many MAGA were easy to find at both places.
All I got back from him was some crap about how Democrats control the system.
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u/ItsFuckingScience 12d ago
Trump literally told them to be there on that date and on that time. Trump conducted a long official rally with a speech infront of his supporters, and then Trump told them to go to the Capitol.
He told them Pence could stop the certification. He tweeted this to deliberately pressure him.
This is all recorded and publicly available
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u/PunishedWolf4 12d ago
Can you believe the deep state democrats knew who was a republican on J6 and specifically targeted them? /s
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u/EsterWithPants 12d ago
They weren't true Scotsmen, except the ones that we cherry picked to be the true Scotsmen.
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u/Ligma_testes 12d ago
The thing I don’t see brought up often is the dichotomy between “J6 was not a riot. They were peacefully walking” when talking about convicted felons there, but in the next breath it’s “this is a massive scandal and we need to interview every FBI agent, pelosi, and all democrats for staging this horrendous attack to try to persecute republicans” when talking about having fbi plants in the crowd
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u/oh-kee-pah 12d ago
So do they say Babbitt was wrongfully killed (aka one of them) or got what she deserved (antifa)?
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u/Sodamyte 12d ago
TrUmP dErAnGeMeNt SyNdRoMe
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u/MeetingKey4598 12d ago
This whole time TDS has been describing them. They're deranged due to believing all that crap Trump says.
They claim the most common symptom is people talking about Trump, especially through 2021, as though it's strange people would talk about the most recent President who was already penned in as the 2024 nominee. Like it's somehow weird to consider that person relevant.
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u/King_Hamburgler 12d ago
All the while flying his flags and face all over their cars/clothes/houses and looking right back at you and telling you that YOU somehow spend too much time thinking about him
It’s wild
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u/ennuiui 12d ago
Yeah, I always saw "TDS" as another attempt by them to change the meaning of a term.
"Fake news" had been applied to all of the disinfo about Hillary that was promoted by the far-right (with Russian help), then Trump & his followers turned it against any media outlet that dared to shine a light on him.
Trump Derangement Syndrome more accurately describes the cult mentality and the houses with 137 Trump and poorly written "Let's Go Brandon" signs, but they co-opted the term to anyone who, again, dared to shine a light on Trump's misdeeds.
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u/mooptastic 12d ago
This whole time TDS has been describing them.
That's how I always interpreted it. When they mockingly reply with that, I can't help but only perceive it as projection and a self insult. We aren't deranged, trump does things in plain daylight and he gets called out on it, participating in reality is the exact opposite of derangement.
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u/SubjectPersonality73 12d ago
They appear to target those who are readily swayed. If someone tells you a falsehood repeatedly, even if it's dressed up as a hypothesis or joke, they are aware that most other people find it credible.
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u/Milad731 12d ago
Well, Trump said he loves the poorly educated. This is one the very few times that I believe he meant what he said.
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u/weinerdogsupremacy 12d ago
Nothing screams democrat like a crowd full of 99.9% white men with neck beards and beer guts
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 12d ago
Even when they type that, it's stupid, because don't they harp on Biden and Dem politicians (even Obama) every day?
It's like these MAGA idiots want to make a special rule for themselves.
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u/h4ms4ndwich11 12d ago
These are authoritarian and narcissistic mindsets.
The fascists rile them up and no fact ever matters, because authoritarians and narcissists don't use reason. They use their feelings and fantasies to decide what's wrong or right. It's just a perpetual motion, emotional hijacking machine that apparently good people have no weapon against.
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u/Derv_is_real 12d ago
Absolutely a million percent this. My father and his family are all extreme narcissistic autocrats. Do as I say, not as I do hypocrites. They absolutely adore the man because he "tells it like it is". Nah, he just appeals to their deranged version of reality. They want might makes right society.
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u/Improving_Myself_ 12d ago
And it's projection yet again.
There were some incidents of "violent antifa protestors" at various places around the country, but oh wait, they were actually paid right wing actors. We have the receipts and people went to jail for it.
At this point, the initial assumption for any claim the magats make against the other side should be that it's projection.
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u/Downtown-Table-4872 12d ago
I've been keeping track and here's where Republicans are at (don't know if I missed any, I'm sure there's more):
It was the FBI; it was ANTIFA; it was Democrats in disguise; it was a peaceful demonstration; it was 'legitimate political discourse'; it was a group of tourists; it was the beginning of a civil war; it never actually happened; it was like The Storming of the it Bastille; it was 'fake news'; it was to stop a 'stolen election'; it was like the American Revolution; it was a staged event; it was legal because police welcomed protesters in.
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u/Secure-Force-9387 12d ago
Also, the J6 committee was partisan and the evidence they showed was made up.
My MAGAt BIL told me all this.
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u/Musicdev- 12d ago
That will be a great movie script one day! Seeing actors play them on the big screen, maybe That will wake them up!
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u/traveling_gal 12d ago
I swear, it's like a 3-year-old caught in the act and floundering for an excuse. Either that or a rapid-fire recitation of the Narcissist's Prayer by someone who can't quite remember how it goes.
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u/whereegosdare84 12d ago
None of their conspiracies make any sense.
The election was rigged yet it gave the democrats a slim majority in the house and at that point no majority in the Senate? Remember we had a run off in Georgia to decide that one. And of course no republican who won had any election interference even though they claim the entire election is rigged.
But hands down my favorite is the deep state. This all powerful and all knowing group inside our government that can somehow rule the world but can’t kill off a 77 year old obese toddler with a room temperature IQ who struggles to walk down a ramp.
Seriously would there be an easier target?
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u/LordNemissary 12d ago
The enemy of the people is simultaneously both terrifyingly strong and laughably weak - one of the 14 most identifiable characteristics of Fascist rhetoric according to Umberto Eco
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u/yourmomlurks 12d ago
You’re right. No part of any of this is intended to make sense it is an attempt to express pain, fear, and disenfranchisement but fundamentalists are too emotionally immature to express emotion so it comes out as irrational anger.
Fundy Boomers are more successful at passing trauma on to the subsequent generations than libs it seems.
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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 12d ago
"There's an all-powerful Deep State controlling the government but it can't even get the Supreme Court to adopt a 'I will not accept gifts from the billionaire defendant' Code of Ethics."
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u/SdBolts4 12d ago
Hey now, they did adopt a "Code" of Ethics, it's just more of "Guidelines" of Ethics because basically all of the rules use "should" instead of "shall", meaning they can ignore them if they want. Oh, and there's no enforcement mechanism other than the current one: the Chief Justice/the Court investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing
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u/Jealous-Network-8852 12d ago
Yeah, this is my favorite part of the “stolen election” conspiracy. If Democrats were stuffing ballot boxes and using illegal voters etc, how did they lose the House?
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u/Gnom3y 12d ago
As I understand it, the conspiracy is that True Republicans actually consist of something like 70% or more of the country, and the only reason that Democrats win anywhere is because of their political machines, ballot stuffing, and voter supression. But because there are so many Republicans, Democrats aren't able to win a majority of House elections since it would be too obvious if rural districts suddenly voted blue, so they stuff urban districts like crazy to make up the difference. This is why Democrats can win state-wide or national elections but not a majority of district level ones. And of course "blue states" aren't actually Democratic, the Dems are just so entrenched in the government that it's become 'OK' for more rural districts to vote blue even if most of the votes and voters are actually Republican.
It's very crazy, and requires a pretty amazingly competent Democratic Party to be operating at a high level for decades across the country (haha), but as conspiracies go it's rather self-contained.
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u/Fakeduhakkount 12d ago
Love Georgia example. That was basically the most Republican ran election in the country. I think new rules were adopted, every single official that can affect the election was Republicans, and even the Trump Era DOJ investigated and cleared the process of any wrongdoing.
Yet just because Trump lost it was a “rigged” process. I guess MAGA logic doesn’t take into account Trump knowing how much he’s losing by and “asking” to find the votes to make up the numbers isn’t proof Trump himself knows he lost. If he can pander straight to the voters somehow that can discount all others votes against him.
At this point this is his second lost of the popular election as a Presidential candidate - the People clearly still don’t want him as President. All those talking heads points saying the voters and not court houses should decided his fate is pure BS, country did that already - his election interference and not wanting to leave office is the basis of one of his numerous trials
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u/KhellianTrelnora 12d ago
See, that ones easy.
The democrats cheated, yes. But if they won in a decimating landslide victory, people would know something was up, and people would contest the results for years.
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u/Queasy-Kale-8938 12d ago
Democrats planned to win in a respectable but not showy Putin-esque 90% of the vote. They rigged the election but underestimated the awesome power of MAGA and what was supposed to be a modest trouncing became slim majority.
(Don't actually believe this)
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u/Cool-Protection-4337 12d ago
When propaganda is called news you can make people believe or do anything. See nazi germany, communist Russia and now here where our billionaires want another gilded age.
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What you should do — if you’re unfortunate enough to encounter a deranged ‘Democrats participated in the J6 riot’-lunatic — is ask them: “What did these ‘Democrats’ do this day that breaks the law,” once they proceed to state all of the actions committed by these “Democrats” on this day, they’ve incriminated themselves.
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u/CaptainPixel 12d ago
Fascist playbook. The enemy is both weak and strong, don't believe your eyes and ears, etc. It doesn't have to make sense to them because they simply don't think about it that hard. Their leaders tell them and they blindly follow.
These are the 12 early warning signs of fascism from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum:
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - "Make America Great Again", "America First", etc.
- Disdain for Human Rights - Migrant children in cages, razor wire floating fences in rivers, support for the total annihilation of Palestinians, etc.
- Identification of Enemies as a Unifying Cause - ANTIFA, Leftists, Woke-Mind-Virus, etc.
- Supremacy of the Military - 45 wanted Military Parades, constant warmongering, etc.
- Rampant Sexism - Do I really need to list examples here? It's EVERYWHERE
- Controlled Mass Media - Constant disparagement of new outlets as leftist, promotion of right wing propaganda sources like OANN
- Obsession with National Security - Migrant caravans anyone?
- Religion and Government Intertwined - Overturning secular laws in favor of protecting "religious freedom", current Speaker of the House claims the seperation of church and state is a "misunderstanding".
- Corporate Power Protected - So many tax breaks for rich, Trickle Down Ecnomonic policies, Deregulation, etc.
- Labor Power Supressed - When was the last time you saw a pro-Union conservative?
- Disdain for Intellectuals & The Arts - In the last election cycle the conservative right was throwing around the word "intellectuals" as if it were a slur.
- Obsession with Crime & Punishment - "Back the Blue", "All Lives Matter", etc.
- Rampant Cronyism & Corruption - Might as well throw nepotisim in there too
- Fraudulent Elections - Rolling back voting rights, calling for raising the voting age, flase claims of election Fraud, etc. etc. etc.
This stuff should worry everyone. As some others have put it, this election cycle your choices are voting for an elderly candidate you might not agree with or never getting to vote again. They already tried once to ignore the will of the people. They 100% will try again.
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u/SCP-2774 12d ago
What's scary to me is Trump isn't even (in my opinion) the worst one out there anymore.
MTG, Bobo, Traffickin' Gaetz, Gym Jordan, Mike "Evolution is a woke myth" Johnson, DeSantis, Ramaswampy, all of them are trying to be the next Trump and are ramping up the rhetoric. Not to even mention the pundits who are supporting them.
The moral panic against trans people, defunding of public education, and slicing and dicing public services is the next step. I doubt their protofascistic rise will mirror the past, but it's coming with these issues.
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u/redassedchimp 12d ago
It's like Trump is the Pied Piper of malignant narcissists. The loud call of his mouth brought them all out of the woodwork and not only that, it made previously respectable folks on the borderline turn cancerous with insane behavior.
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u/Spazonspez 12d ago
Yeah, obviously Trump is bad, but I need a reason to vote FOR Biden /s
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u/Gnom3y 12d ago
I appreciate the sarcasm tag, because this shit pisses me off to no end. The US has First Past The Post elections, you don't get to vote for who you like; you must instead vote against the person you like the least. It sucks, but it's a function of how our elections are set up.
Which is why I am trying to convince literally everyone I know to support Ranked Choice Voting whenever it hits my state ballot, because then you get to actually vote for who you like most. It's not perfect, but I think it's the best option for our current system.
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u/hendergle 12d ago
throwing around the word "intellectuals" as if it were a slur.
My MAGA father-in-law constantly complained about the "erudites" for anything and everything he thinks is bad about the country. When I asked him what an "erudite" is, he couldn't come up with a definition other than variations on "the ones responsible for everything I think is bad about the country."
The saddest thing about it is that he used to be so proud of his daughter's multiple degrees (and to a lesser extent of me, his West Point grad son-in-law). But now that "erudites" are ruining the country, he regrets that she didn't stay home and marry a tradesman. NTTAWTT, mind you.
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u/hey_dingus 12d ago
this election cycle
This is what worries me the most. Sure, if Biden wins in '24 that's all fine and good. But what about the next election cycle and the one after that?
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u/Some_words_for_you 12d ago
Their
bowelmovement will lose a lot of steam once the fat orange one is out of the picture. He's the reason all those millions of dirtbags crawled out of their mud pits and sisters and started getting engaged in the political process.There's no actual ideology. They just like the fat guy and they love feeling like they're important and righteous without having to go through all the book learning they'd need to cure their terminal ignorance.
Once there's no "charismatic" "rich" fat "man" to make them feel smart and important they'll slither right back to their unexamined lives of bigotry and functional illiteracy.
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u/Musicdev- 12d ago
And they will lose again because it’s Nothing (for those who absolutely hate Joe but don’t want to be controlled) or Fascism (like a damn annoying Mosquito watching your every move and ready to attack with blood).
Hmmmmm….
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u/reddurkel 12d ago
The easiest way to figure out Jan 6 is to ask “Why were we there in the first place?” Every scenario and every level of interaction has the same answer.
WE WERE TOLD THAT BY ATTENDING THEN WE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
That was a lie and anyone telling you otherwise was the insurrectionist because the ONLY way to stop the process was by force.
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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 12d ago
Pre-printed JAN 6TH CIVIL WAR hoodies. Totally normal.
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u/legendary_millbilly 12d ago
Also, not one of the people arrested and tried has turned out to be a democrat or antifa or an FBI agent.
Weird situation.
Marge says "maga didn't do this."
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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 12d ago edited 12d ago
- Buffalo Horns Guy - Legit MAGA
- Ashli Babbit -- Legit MAGA
- Lectern Stealing Guy -- Legit MAGA
- The guy from Bob's Burgers -- Legit MAGA
- Guy who died of a meth overdose - Legit MAGA
- Other Guy who died of a meth overdose -- Legit MAGA
- Girl in a DON'T TREAD ON ME shirt who collapsed after a meth overdose and was trampled to death -- Legit MAGA
- Guy who died of a heart attack-- Legit MAGA
- Retired Air Force colonel guy -- Legit MAGA
- Dishonored Tattoo Guy -- Legit MAGA
- Olympian Klete Keller -- Legit MAGA
- Lady who took a private jet there -- Legit MAGA
- Gal who wanted to sell Nancy Pelosi's laptop to Russian intelligence -- Legit MAGA
- Civil War Losers' Flag Guy -- Legit MAGA
- Six Million [Jews] Wasn't Enough t-shirt guy -- Legit MAGA
- Camp Auschwitz Staff t-shirt guy -- Legit MAGA
- Guy smashing windows with a helmet guy -- Legit MAGA
- A dozen Proud Boys -- Legit MAGA
- At least ten Oath Keepers, including high-ranking officers -- Legit MAGA
- At least one high ranking Atomwaffen Division guy -- Legit MAGA
- Half a dozen Boogaloo Boys -- Legit MAGA
- Numerous local Republican officials and candidates - Legit MAGA
...and again, very few Jan 6th rioters were wearing masks at the height of pre-vaccine COVID even while invading the Capitol.
Why isn't Fox News blasting their faces 24 hours a day asking people if they recognize their FBI agent neighbor or DHS agent cousin?
Why isn't the right-wing blogosphere offering bounties for people to identify their ANTIFA sister or BLM non-binary sibling?
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 12d ago
Plus the stanky-looking Jan 6ers look exactly like everyday Trump rally goers. Meth bodies, fat bearded bodies, fat-cankled Karens, low IQ angry expressions, tobaccy-soaked dirty jeans and flannel.
Dems aren't wasting their time cosplaying as that trash.
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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 12d ago
Yeah, as my friend put it:
"Ah yes, the middle-aged redneck division of Black Lives Matter."
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u/King_Hamburgler 12d ago
To be fair if it was the fbi they wouldn’t start arresting their own people they’d just arrest all the other dummies that showed up
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u/-Quothe- 12d ago
Democrats, liberals, antifa; they are all trying to make MAGA look bad, THAT is why. To understand the mind set you have to know two things; Firstly, sabotage of a rally is something they are familiar with, because they did it during the BLM protests which eventually turned into riots. Proud Boys and their ilk infiltrated the protests around the nation and started destroying things and picking fights with the protestors, which eventually turned violent and which the media blamed on BLM. Protests since then had seen counter-protestors show up, and fights had broken out on a fairly regular basis. They planned for and expected confrontation, but when it didn't materialize, they were left holding the smoking gun with no patsy to plant it on.
And secondly; the MAGA mindset is that they are victims of people trying to make them look bad by pointing out their bigotry. They want to be allowed to be casually racist and sexist, but they don't like the social accountability that has started coming with it as videos get posted and they lose their jobs and relationships. Rather than recognizing they are the assholes, they shifted blame to the people noticing them, with one line of thought being it is somehow a conspiracy against them. Liberals, antifa, progressives, democrats, anyone on the left are all actively working to make them individually look bad by falsely pointing out their bigotry and violent tendencies, which they swear doesn't exist.
Sprinkle on top a healthy dose of victim syndrome, a false but overwhelming hero complex, and no small amount of conspiracy-justified self-righteousness, and you have a recipe for violent action without a single trace of self-awareness.
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u/Musicdev- 12d ago
Well if they aren’t looking in the mirror then someone’s gotta tell them.
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u/-Quothe- 12d ago
Anytime you do they just shift the blame to you; "You're the one who brought up race, not me" they say as they carry tiki torches and call for the export of all brown people.
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u/kms2547 12d ago
Conservatives: "We're gonna march in Charlottesville."
Conservatives in Charlottesville: (do mask-off full-blown Nazi shit)
Conservatives the day after: "It wasn't us."
Conservatives: "We're gonna march on the Capitol. The storm is coming. Watch what happens Jan 6th."
Conservatives at the Capitol: "This is it! It's happening!"
Conservatives at the Capitol: (do mask-off full-blown Nazi shit)
Conservatives the day after: "It was ANTIFA."
Conservatives: "We're gonna drive through Ottawa to send a message!"
Conservatives driving through Ottawa: (do mask-off full-blown Nazi shit)
Conservatives the day after: "It was a false flag."
These people are so. Fucking. Pathetic.
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u/Emergency_Property_2 12d ago
Three little word describe the MAGA mind: divorced from reality. And reality doesn’t have visitation rights.
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u/GuardianOfZid 12d ago
“You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.”
Jonathan Swift
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u/initcursor 12d ago
I wish these Twitter-folk would stop posting stuff like this. When they frame their question like this it just makes them look defensive. MAGA puppeteers aren't putting these lies out there because THEY believe it. They are put them out there because they want their MAGA followers to believe it. Posting this stuff just puts the sane folk on the defensive, like there's a remote possibility that it's true and now we have to prove how it wasn't Democrats.
Instead, how about posting how stupid the MAGA folk are if they believe this stuff. Shit, just re-word like this:
"trumpers who believe it was Democrats disguised as MAGA on Jan 6th are fucking idiots. Why on Earth would WE try to delay the certification that WE won??? Ever think about that? Actually, do you ever think?"
Boom. Make them feel dumb and stop being defensive.
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u/ImAFuckinLiar 12d ago
Oh, it makes cents alright. All of the conspiracy theories make cents for Trump. Once a grifter, always a grifter.
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u/JohnnyTerrific 12d ago
It’s working backwards from a conclusion. Conservatives are taught that their political takes and their religion are one and the same. So therefore, their side can never be wrong because it’s the Godly and just side. So when they see obvious evidence their own people committed violence and broke laws, this doesn’t end up making sense with their world view. So they end up twisting and turning things to fit that world view.
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u/Musicdev- 12d ago
Well that’s too bad for them because it’s not a perfect world, and nobody is above the law and nobody is perfect.
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u/Odd-Establishment104 12d ago
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/craig1f 12d ago
The point isn't to make sense. The point is to prevent people from knowing what's real and what's fake. If people can't recognize reality, they will become scared. Scared people tend to prefer "strongman" leaders. Fascism requires everyone to be scared of everything all the time. The people in charge think they're clever for figuring this out.
Honestly though, it's weird to see this happening to western countries. Fascism is never prosperous for anyone except those at the very top. I think the reason it's happening is because our corporate structure is set up in a way that is equivalent to dictatorships. CEOs have the exact same motivations and strategies as dictators. This means they view non-dictatorships as fake and naive, ready for exploitation. When a Republican says "let's bring democracy to X, Y, and Z country" what they really mean is "let's destabilize the country".
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u/fauxzempic 12d ago
It was the democrats! Antifa!
Except for Ashli Babbitt apparently.
Except for the Qanon Shaman apparently.
Except for anyone that got arrested apparently.
Except for all those proud boys who were there.
But yeah - it was all democrats.
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u/AFlockOfTySegalls 12d ago
I love when they say democrats dressed up as them and did things to make them look bad. Because maga's really need help in the "looking bad" department.
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u/Bind_Moggled 12d ago
Many MAGAts are Evangelical Christians. They will believe literally ANYTHING the loudest voice in the room tells them to believe.
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u/SpaceTimeinFlux 12d ago
Too dumb to win. Too dumb to lie. To weak to lead. All these fascists know how to do is cry.
Trump was the laughing stock of the international political sphere.
He schmoozed with despots and tyrants. He fellated Putin every chance he got. He never met a lie he couldn't tell.
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u/fluffyflugel 12d ago
January 6 was all about peaceful maga tourists full of wonder and innocence, marvelling at the grandeur of the Capitol, hugging and kissing and occasionally tasering or elbowing a Capitol police officer in the face, and then taking a satisfying dump in the hallowed halls. What’s the big deal? 🤷♂️
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u/EvenBetterCool 12d ago
Republicans blamed Democrats for the high Covid death toll. Saying Democrats purposely promoted the vaccine knowing that Republicans would refuse it.
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u/Galevav 11d ago
Okay, it's a dumb train of thought, but hard to argue against: It was a deep state plot to frame patriots to get them arrested and thrown in prison. There were like 9900 FBI agents there that day, and maybe 100 people who were brought along with it and did not mean to do anything bad. But the FBI were the ones breaking things and smearing shit and hurting people. The people who were photographed being there were either a) people who were swept up in a crowd and really didn't do anything wrong, b) victims of photoshopped fake evidence, or c) FBI agents in a fake show trial to make things look bad for the good guys.
That's why it's hard to argue against: Nothing is real. Conservatives are all good guys. Any evidence of the contrary is made up and part of a vast conspiracy, thus any evidence that Conservatives are bad is evidence that Conservatives are good.
Some people just love conspiracies. It's more fun. You live in a world that's both more mysterious and more simple. The good guys are always good. The bad guys are the ones responsible for all the bad things. If it doesn't look like that by all the evidence, that's because the truth is secret. No matter how convoluted the secret is, it all boils down to "Good guys are good, bad guys are bad". J6 rioters were tricked or secretly bad guys. Trump was picked by God himself and is a good christian now. All the bad stuff is in the past, when he was a Democrat, and thus bad. Universal healthcare and welfare are socialism, socialism is communism, and communism are anti-Christian, thus bad. Immigrants are rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and Jihadis.
It's simple. Knowing the secret makes you special, and smarter than all the people who are too dumb to see it. And since it makes you smart, the conspiracy being correct is tied to your self-worth. Hard to argue against.
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u/reddit_mouse 12d ago
If Democrats are so utterly incompetent at governing, how could they possibly pull off such a well coordinated and perfectly executed false flag operation on 1/6?
They also would have had to carefully infiltrate key positions in multiple media outlets and multiple key government offices — which would have taken years to plan and execute — and then enacted the plan with flawless military precision. Yet we are to believe that democrats are sooo disfunction and corrupt that they can’t collectively wipe their own giant ass.
Hmmmm . . .
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u/Zanchbot 12d ago
MAGAs don't operate on logic, not in the way that the rest of us do anyway. Don't try to make sense of it, you'll go as mad as they are.
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u/veringer 12d ago
You know how Cornelius Fudge refused to believe Voldemort was back and made that lie into official ministerial policy? And he sent the sadistic authoritarian Dolores Umbrage to forcibly indoctrinate, gaslight, and torture students to conform to that lie?
That is what the MAGAs will do with any and all inconvenient facts. They'd appoint "Moms for Liberty" (or whatever they are calling themselves) to extirpate or rewrite history and punish dissent.
Was Rowling preparing children for this generation's rise of authoritarianism? Honestly I'd have expected to see more HP crossover memes to this effect. Seems so on the nose.
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u/Indigoh 12d ago
And to put into perspective how absurd it is, they're claiming Democrats were able to organize hundreds of people and then flawlessly get away with it.
It's been nearly 4 years. We have seen hundreds of Trump supporters jailed over it. How did the operatives escape?
"It's a vast conspiracy" conveniently answers everything.
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u/Awkward-Fudge 12d ago
They can't think things out. There is no critical thinking; it's whatever makes sense in the moment that causes the most outrage.
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u/chrisnavillus 12d ago
You gotta do triple-double brain gymnastics to understand the illogical thoughts of a MAGAt
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u/GreenChiliCowboy 12d ago
They also think Trump can win even though the last election was rigged. I guess 2024 won't be rigged this time.
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u/Lumpy-Log-5057 12d ago
I heard from "trust me bro" that they were actually trump supporters who infiltrated antifa so they could pressure other trumpets to storm the capital so they could blame it on antifa.
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u/Narodnik60 12d ago
Every MAGA claiming election fraud needs to explain how any Republican won, and many did. This is donald Trump saying that Donald Trump was the target because Donald Trump is always a victim of something.
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u/azmodan72 12d ago
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984
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u/IceColdTear 12d ago
The republicans also released a bunch of tapes and said they are blurring faces on them to protect the J6'ers from prosecution. Like, if it were all ANTIFA, don't you WANT them to be found and arrested?
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u/NotoriousFTG 12d ago
I recently saw a comment that is more viable than trying to change the minds of MAGA voters. That Democrats should focus on getting all Democrats to vote, and that should be enough to defeat Trump, in conjunction with the modest numbers of unhypnotized Republicans and Independents who vote against Trump specifically.
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u/marthawashingtn 12d ago
funny that all the ones arrested and in jail ain't sayin that and all the ones that testified in the Jan 6th hearings were republicans........ i am so sick of the maga shit...lock the bastards up already.... ALL THE FRIGGIN SCUM BAGS
45 GITMO 2024
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u/Mr-Klaus 12d ago
Oh, and let's not forget that they literally announced that they were going to do it weeks before they did it.
They were very clear in the language they used, they wanted to stop Biden's certification and were willing to use force if they don't get what they want - which is exactly what they did. Furthermore, most of them came dressed ready for just that, they came with body armour, helmets, shields, gas masks, batons... etc.
Even the speeches before the insurrection sounded like war cries. During the insurrection these idiots genuinely thought they were taking the country by force and making history, you could hear it from the kinds of shit people in the crowd were shouting.
Things started to turn sideways for them when they turned on the news hoping to be to be praised as some kind of modern 1776 patriotic heroes, only to learn how horrified the country was with their actions - then, and only then did the left start getting blamed for it.
It started with them blaming it on BLM, then soon moved to a BLM & Antifa collab, now they're blaming it on the FBI, the very same government agency tasked with hunting all the Jan6 insurrectionists.
The fact that there are Conservatives out there who think this was orchestrated by Liberals really highlights how far-gone the right wing is gone with the brain-rot. At this point you could show them a dog and ask them what it was, Trump would say it's a potato, and they would genuinely believe they're looking an excitable barking potato.
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u/Whats-Up_Bitches 12d ago
It's the same argument that we can use to disprove holocaust deniers.
If they weren't there, doing those things, then why? Why did none of them say it? We have records of trials but not once did the person say that it didn't happen.
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u/metal_bastard 12d ago
MAGA can't make sense. It's not in their DNA. The same people who say J6 was the FBI, Antifa, BLM, etc, turn around and say all of the people being prosecuted for their roles are heroes/patriots/political prisoners, that Ashli Babbit was a hero, etc...
Being contradictive is all they do. Remember the 2020 election when they were screaming to STOP the count in Pennsylvania and to KEEP counting in Arizona?
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u/thathairinyourmouth 12d ago
Don’t bring logic into it. It’s a waste of time and energy. These people will do spectacular mental gymnastics to be “right” about everything. It’s hard to be humble when you’re perfect in every way.
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u/selkiesidhe 12d ago
Because we wanted to make them look bad ofc!
/s (the mental gymnastics would be amazing if it wasn't so horrifying)
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u/OnlySmiles_ 12d ago
Pretty sure part of the belief is that we did it to "slander them and make them look bad"
But like
We don't need to fake an insurrection to do that? You already do that yourselves?
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u/_IratePirate_ 12d ago
lol I couldn’t keep my story straight when I was lying to my mom all the time too
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u/Dayseed 12d ago
I'm not endorsing this answer, just relaying it: MAGA believes that the purpose of left-wing groups masking themselves as MAGA and storming the Capitol wasn't to delay the certification, but to create a sympathy window where the electoral votes would be counted without objection or calls for scrutiny. If state legislatures had more time to examine the popular vote in their respective state, they would blow the lid off how Dems stole it.
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u/afellowchucker 12d ago
Which of course is still stupid because there is/was nothing stopping them from releasing their stolen election “proof”. If I ever come across someone that still believes that the election was stolen I always ask them this: if there was any proof of a stolen election then why didn’t or why haven’t republicans released it as soon as they gained control of the house? They could have immediately held hearings and proved all the naysayers wrong. Like it would be the biggest story/scandal ever. Instead they just skip to hunter biden’s laptop? lol
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u/Dayseed 12d ago
It is stupid, but it serves the immediate purpose of absolving MAGA of the insurrection AND explaining why Dems would sabotage their own win.
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u/BuckRowdy 12d ago
If you're looking for any type of internal logic in right wing ideology you're going to have a bad time.
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u/cauIkasian 12d ago
trying to blame J6 on Democrats, saying that we dressed up as them ...
Do people really say this? Anyone got any links?
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u/AskMeAboutMyHermoids 12d ago
Im so glad I dont have to see BrooklynDad guy's post all the time since I deleted X.
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u/underratedbeers 12d ago
The stupidity is so painful that it actually physically hurts me. Like, how the hell can one be so damn gullible. I get it, they don't want to come to grips that their side is brutally stupid and could commit such acts of violence. It doesn't help their argument.
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u/Copperhand75 12d ago
You wouldn't expect a good discussions of quantum physics from your dog then why would you expect a logical argument from the MAGA crazies.
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u/MyGoodFriend96 12d ago
Have you ever spoke to a MAGA person and asked them about Trump?
They literally will not answer one question. Every response is a projection. I'm not exaggerating.
"What about Biden?" "What about Clinton?"
Will not respond to anything. We live in the information age yet the dumbest people in the history of the EArth live today.
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u/plasticupman 12d ago
If you are looking for people who live in an alternate reality, you just found them; they are members of the Republican Party, formerly known as The Grand Old Party...no more.
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u/katieleehaw 12d ago
They're fascists. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes them smile. Don't try to make it "make sense" - focus on stopping it.
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u/dao_ofdraw 12d ago
Is this the narrative now? It was a false flag/Democrat instigated event? Are you fucking kidding me?
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u/xsxexvxexnx 12d ago
What I don't understand is, if it was Democrats dressed as Trump supporters, why do Republicans defend those people and insist they be set free? Why would Trump talk about pardoning them if they're not his supporters?
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u/ArtisanJagon 12d ago
I mean - MAGA also says it was a leaceful demonstration and a legit protest so what's the big deal?
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u/nita5766 12d ago
if logic was a thing for them this would be the last word but there is no logic in MAGA land so here we are while their mental illness creates BS and they refuse to take responsibility.
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u/V0T0N 12d ago
The only consistent response I hear from MAGAts, for any of their nonsense, is some kind of what-about-ism.
If you question them on anything, well what about this and that. MJT did an interview with Piers Morgan where she just kept insulting him and bringing up dumb shit, anything, except answering the question.
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u/DeadWinterDays9 11d ago
MAGA idiots will always find a way to rationalize.
“Because that’s how the deep state wOrKs!!” 🤣
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u/NoOpportunity1382 12d ago
There are few things in life more futile than trying to find logic in a MAGA fever dream